Brunner and Dann Won’t Meet with “voting rights activists”
From Michael Collins Blog
2006 general election winner, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner (D), was quick to respond to the destruction of evidence. The Cincinnati Enquirer of August 11, 2007 reported Brunner’s remarks: “If I had evidence of a cover-up, I would investigate. For me, the bigger question in 2004 was how many people were prevented from voting (something) you can’t quantify?” Attorney General Marc Dann (D), also elected in 2006, responded quickly by seconding Brunner’s position. So much for campaign promises.
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While the two Democratic officials were quick to absolve those who destroyed evidence, both have refused to meet with voting rights activists to receive and discuss extensive data and analysis that supports election fraud in the 2004 presidential election.
Mark McNally said,
Wrote on October 22, 2007 @ 9:49 am
If you are a barking moonbat and you feel betrayed by the Democrats you elected there is help for your BLS or Battered Liberal Syndrome.
The cure for BLS is to listen to Rush Limbaugh from noon to three 5 days a week.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 22, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
There IS a so-called “Voting Rights Forum” with Jeniffer Brunner this Wednesday. Let me first say that I’ve been working toward election reform and election protection since 2004. With that in mind, I am very skeptical regarding the below linked event. It appears to be a token gesture non-event (IMO).
http://www.progressohio.org/page/event/detail/wr4y
Second, the Progress Ohio “host” of this event (Loraine Bieber) is nothing but a pretty-faced plant for the corrupt interests of people like Eric Vessels (PlunderDUMB Blog) and Jerid Kurtz (BS Blog) as well as Todd Hoffman (The ODP’s Mr Lie and Earn) and Bryan Clark (The ODP’s so-called “big boi”). I absolutely have no indication that Loraine Bieber has ANY qualifications to deserve being hired by Progress Ohio in the first place let alone being the “host” for an event related to the important issue of election reform.
On a similar note, Progress Ohio and America Votes Ohio have been absolutely in lock-step with the cover-up which Brunner and Dann are instituting related to the 2004 election records destruction and other issues that happened longer ago.
We, as the largest election reform/protection group in the state, have been trying endlessly to get the so-called “America Votes Team” AND Brian Rothenberg/Progress Ohio to act to stand-up against election fraud to no avail.
Also, all the establishment Democrats we have contacted, including Denny White and Chris Redfern have been constantly looking the other way regarding fraud in favor of organizing mere token gestures related to voter suppression.
Although we, as election reform/protection activists, believe that combating voter suppression is important, we ultimately believe it should be tackled on a much larger scale AND that the issue of election fraud should be acknowledged and recognized as a real issue, especially when the destruction of 2004 election records happened DESPITE the order of a federal judge.
Groups such as Progress Ohio and America Votes Ohio get hundreds of thousands of Democrat supporting patronage dollars. People like Brian Rothenberg earn over $100,000 per year while Dave Harding earns over $50,000/year. I’m sure America Votes Ohio people like Scott Nunnery and pretty-faced cheerleader Karen Gasper earn similarly high salaries. Also, America Votes Ohio and Progress Ohio have been continuously using resources to hack for Democratic Party candidates such as Mary Jo Kilroy, which is seemingly in violation of IRS rules for non-profit organizations.
With this in mind, I am absolutely appalled that friggin’ Brian Rothenberg chooses to spend so much of Progress Ohio’s energy and resources enabling ridiculously petty and unimportant causes such as “Dancers for Democracy.” I’m so sick of reading about and seeing Sandy Theis’ face that I want to puke.
Also, I am appalled that Brian Rothenberg has been compelled to hire inept and controversial people such as Eric Vessels and Loraine Bieber to waste even more of the limited dollars that could be used to promote the rebuilding of Ohio’s elections into something that actually resembles Democracy again.
Neither Jennifer Brunner nor Mark Dann have shown ANY indication that they are going to provide any REAL opposition to the rampant fraud and suppression that we ALL know is happening in Ohio’s election system. In addition, the issue of voter fraud, which right-leaning groups claim is happening, should be as important to investigate as any of the claims being made by left-leaning groups.
Brunner and Dann are charged to act in a non-partisan manner. Even though I’m a registered Democrat, I believe that all claims by other parties, including the Republican Party, should be treated equally by being afforded due process in a fair and honest manner.
This is what we as left-leaning activists asked Ken Blackwell to do in the past. Thus, everyone should expect the same of the current statewide office holders (regardless of party affiliation).
IMO, Brunner and Dann = “Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.” Also, pretty-faced but inexperienced young girls, who once tried to organize the defunct League of Young Voters (Loraine Bieber) and Democracy for America (Karen Gasper), are absolutely NOT the types of people to entrust to be “host” or organize any part of such an important event.
I encourage Republicans, Libertarians, Greens, Progressive Activists and all other people who represent something other than Democratic Party loyalists to attend the below meeting to ask tough questions that TRULY challenge these suburban country clubber Dems to quit sippin’ martinis and start doing their jobs in an effective and non-partisan manner.
If they can’t do their jobs in a fair and honest manner, these people should resign IMMEDIATELY.
http://www.progressohio.org/page/event/detail/wr4y
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 22, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Pretty Girl Lorraine Bieber, PlunderDUMB Eric Vessels and BS Blogger Jerid Kurtz better team-up to help out The Establishment Man Brian Rothenberg, UAPA Country Clubber Dave Harding, Tough Guy Scott Nunnery and Cheerleader Karen Gasper.
Maybe they can figure-out a way to increase participation and attendance for the Voting Rights Forum of Ms Blinded by the Light Jennifer Brunner.
Check out the RSVPs for this gathering of the Upper Arlington Establishment Democrat Choir who lacks any consideration for any other Central Ohio neighborhood except for those which are situated in the 15th US Congressional which Mary Jo Kilroy will be running.
Be sure to click the “sign up” link to see RSVP numbers
http://www.uaprogressiveaction.com/node/98
This cast of characters scratched and clawed their way toward eeking out 100 of the Establishment DLC Dem Party faithful to attend a supposed “non-partisan” event called RootsCamp. There was little if any attractions related to PlunderDUMB Eric’s RootsCamp EXCEPT that leader of the Franklin County Democratic Party Machine, Mary Jo Kilroy, was the keynote speaker.
Yeah right… this attendee list looks “non-partisan”
http://www.rootscamp.org/RootsCampOHAttendees
Well, now these same folks are only attracting about 30 people to “Ms. Look the other way,” Jen Brunner’s, Voting Rights Forum that is supposed to be happening in two days.
30 attendees? Is that all the better Lorraine can do?
http://www.progressohio.org/page/event/detail/wr4y
I guess young Lorraine Bieber has a bit of stage jitters when it comes to organizing and promoting her own real event rather than obnoxiously piggybacking off other groups like she did the whole time she supposedly led the League of Young Voters. Lorraine loved to claim credit for herself and the League of Young Voters, yet she did little to help organize and/or run any of the events she regularly piggybacked upon.
Where is the League of Young Voters group now ?? No meetings, no leader and no members… all used up and sucked dry… all to further the Upper Arlington pretty girl Lorraine’s inconsiderate ambitions to further her own position at the expense of other good people.
Lorraine is a selfish narcissistic user and manipulator who aspires to be like PlunderDUMB Eric and BS Blogger Jerid regarding her blind and unthoughtful misplaced loyalty to ODP partisan hacks like Lie and Earn Todd Hoffman and loud-mouthed “big boi” Bryan Clark.
Jerid said,
Wrote on October 22, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
Creepiest comment ever. Not the comment, but the descriptions. I’m just picturing Hickman crouching, scratching his chin and talking like Gollum. “Pretttttty Girlsssss.”
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 5:39 am
No… your frat pig mentality is similar to Lorraine’s Upper Arlingtonian uppity arrogance. In addition, you both share similar narcissistic character traits. Both you and she are young, naive (or dumb in your case). Also, both you and she piggybacked on other people’s initiative and have been driving your respective groups downward.
In your case Jerid, you are driving the BS Blog into the ground (according to Paul Ackerman). In the case of Lorraine Bieber, she sucked the life out of The League of Young Voters and any other group she could piggyback for her personal benefit and self promotion.
Unfortunately, neither you nor Lorraine seem to be able to comprehend that you’re supposed to leave something better than when you took over. You are both leaving your respective group projects lacking after using up and spitting out whatever either of you cannot digest and any other remains that you reject.
You and Lorraine are like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb regarding your young and unappreciative behavior regarding the condition you are leaving your original groups in when you leave.
So it is no wonder you’d call someone creepy who points out your ridiculously inappropriate behavior. I’m just calling it like it is and you’re covering up the reality of both your and young Lorraine’s unappreciative opportunistic behavior.
You are ABSOLUTELY not qualified to further the growth that Russell Hughlock began at the BS Blog and Lorraine is ABSOLUTELY not qualified to effectively organize the events of a group of consequence such as Progress Ohio.
Lorraine’s example for how she used up and spit out the League of Young Voters should be a telling sign to anyone volunteering for Progress Ohio. Progress Ohio volunteers should ask themselves whether it’s in their best interests to work to further Lorraine Bieber’s opportunistic career ambitions.
Frankly, I don’t give a flying freak whether or not some dumbass kids like you and Lorraine take advantage of opportunities given to you and/or you abuse the people you meet solely for the purpose of furthering your ambitions. You ain’t gettin’ nuttin’ from me and neither is any organization that either of you are part of.
Both of you belong on the rust heap of stupidity with PlunderDUMB Eric and sex offender Tim Russo. Russell Hughlock and Brian Rothenberg should have their heads examined for entrusting their important work to unappreciative young punk idiots like you and Lorraine.
Both of you will likely spend more time getting photos of yourselves published anywhere you can. It appears you’re both inline with Jill Miller Zimon’s narcissistic group of people who comb their hair 50,000 times a day and sit around trying to prove that you both somehow graduated from being mere kids to being white and tight suburbanite country clubber wannabees.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 6:36 am
Lorraine only has 29 attendees committed who have confidence in her abilities as a “host” … BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHA… pathetic!!
http://www.progressohio.org/page/event/detail/wr4y
What happened to the supposed “thousands” of so-called “progressive activists” that Rothenberg and Harding tout as the reality at Progress Ohio.
Either Rothenberg and Harding are blowing smoke out their butts or the supposed masses of Progress Ohio people don’t have confidence in pretty girl Lorraine’s abilities to do legitimate organizational work and/or don’t believe she is representing her so-called accomplishments truthfully. If they’re like me, they believe Lorraine has manipulated and lied to members of the League of Young Voters and she used them along with numerous other people and their respective progressive organizations that Lorraine repeatedly piggybacked inappropriately.
Or maybe it’s something as simple as Progress Ohio doesn’t REALLY have the so-called “thousands” of progressive activist supporters that they always claim. This very well could be the case. Having an email list of “thousands” is much easier to gather than hundreds real and live progressive activist people who regularly show-up at events and/or volunteer for projects.
The sad thing is that too many people believe that building a passive email list is all you need to have a legitimate activist organization. No, that is only the first step. People like Jerid and Lorraine fail on several levels regarding taking the next necessary steps to ensure the success of their respective organizations and/or blogs. They think they can smile pretty and everyone will come flocking to support their career ambitions.
Nothing could be further from the truth. True progressive activists are much smarter than narcissistic frat boys and Upper Arlingtonian snobbish types of people, like Jerid and Lorraine, give credit. Anyone with any reasonable amount of common sense figure out that they should avoid manipulators and users like Jerid and Lorraine.
That’s why only 29 people sign-up for faux token gesture events such as these:
http://www.progressohio.org/page/event/detail/wr4y
Jerid said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 10:05 am
For some reason, whenever Hickman pops in I’m reminded of the experiment where a monkey is given an electric shock everytime he masturbates. I can’t put my finger on why, but that’s what Hickman reminds me of. He just keeps doing the same thing over and over, irrespective of the consequences. And he’s so much fun to read.
R. Lee Ermey said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Jerid - Very nice work on the analogy. I was thinking a monkey humping a football, but your’s is way more funny.
I was posting over at the PD, something of usual how I disagree with libs, etc, and Hickman just begins housing me with personal attacks. I think he not only pee’d on my corn flakes, but he smacked my wife, pushed my kid in the mud and shot my dog.
I had observed your issues with him in the past with mild amusement, but after a few miutes exposed to it I now have a whole new respect for you having to deal with this a**clown.
And his posts are sooooo long and repetative.
Jerid, I still think you are full of it on most things, but with Hickman…God Speed my friend.
Rich Edson said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Dave Hickman,
You are a sad, sad, little man that nobody wants.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
You’ll have to do better than that to humiliate me Rich. Don’t know ya, but I gotta feelin’ I’m gonna get to know ya soon.
I’m so crushed by your meanie jelly beanie words Rich. I guess I should just tuck tail and cry because you don’t like me.
Fat chance… the truth is the truth, regardless of whether or not others acknowledge it. Paint a picture with words and burn it into people’s brains. That’s what people like Jerid Kurtz do regarding me and others.
I just fight fire with fire… and I usually win. Check out Jerid’s BS Blog rankings and how PlunderDUMB Eric Vessels depicts me on his unranked blog.
#11 - BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Where have all of Jerid’s BS Blog Front Pagers gone ?? They’ve gone bye bye !!
http://www.blognetnews.com/ohio/influence-index.php
PlunderDUMB Eric Vessels doesn’t even crack the top 20. and he supposedly departed Progress Ohio for “greener pastures” … yeah right !! BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA !!
http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/10/11/more-hickman-hilarity/
BTW Jerid, what “consequences” are you referring to ?? You sure as Hell haven’t directed any life changing “consequences” my way. You’re young, dumb and full of yourself. You’re easy to drag through the mud because you set yourself up due to ignorance and inexperience.
If you think your tendency to censor, bash and ban is some sort of “consequence” then you should really face the reality that you are only hurting yourself and the BS Blog far more than you’ve EVER hurt me.
Basically, you’re a tool Jerid… and so is Vessels.
Jerid said,
Wrote on October 23, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Ermey, I appreciate the comments, and I can see where you’re going with the monkey and the football. And Dave, thanks for bringing us all a little closer.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 24, 2007 @ 4:48 am
I see you’ve both taken the “high” road “high” brow approach to deal with me. I’m simply not going to get “high” with both of you. Toke ‘em up and believe whatever you want in your altered states.
The BS Blog and/or PlunderDUMB blog seems like a more appropriate so-called public forum for this type of antics. You can slam and ban me all you want at either one of those locations. A few idiot frat boys and sorority girls who read and comment on those blogs love being part of that sort of grab ass juvenile behavior.
This is why the once highest rated BS Blog rarely drags itself above #10 and PlunderDUMB can’t even pop into the top 20. For all the aggravation that Jerid Kurtz and Eric Vessels engage in regarding Matt Naugle, the Right Angle Blog has almost always been at the top of the rankings, including currently. I don’t have to agree with Matt politically to appreciate his ability to administer a well run blog.
http://www.blognetnews.com/ohio/influence-index.php
Also, I don’t have to jump on the Vessels/Kurtz anti-Naugle dumbass boxin’ challenge bandwagon or meditate myself into delusional buddha belly nirvana or imagine I’m some Clint Eastwood “High” Plains Drifter cowboy or get blitzed at frat parties or play grab ass in New Hampshire on Mary Jo Kilroy’s dime to justify my political positions and/or any other life choice.
However, most important, I don’t have to kiss David Leland, Chris Redfern, Todd Hoffman and Bryan Clark’s corrupt asses continuously to delude myself into believing that I’m progressing in some way.
Thank goodness ! They stink !!
WWDHD said,
Wrote on October 30, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
So Hickman, seeing as you spend all of your time attacking people online instead of doing something productive to make our society better why don’t you tell us all what you’re involvement is in protecting our democracy? Likewise, since you obviously have all of the answers, what is it that these people should be doing that you would find acceptable? I mean, you’ve pointed out what you seem to think they are doing wrong. Obviously I don’t agree with your statements. I’m familiar with all of the people that you’ve discussed and you haven’t managed to ever provide evidence of anything you’re saying being true. For that matter I’m surprised you haven’t been sued for liable by this point. From the looks of it you’re just an online bully who gets off on belittling other people who are actually spending their time trying to make a difference. So, what would dave hickman do?
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 30, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
I’m not biting. Keep fishing if you choose.
But I’ll say there have been attempts by the Ohio Democratic Party, John Kerry Campaign and Progress Ohio to takeover every grassroots activist group that I’ve been part of organizing and building. So, I guess that means I’m doing something well if the ODP and other Dem related groups acknowledge the value by stealing our group email lists, people, communication and ideas.
Regarding my blogging… I criticize thieves, piggybackers, liars, manipulators and thugs, but they deserve much more criticism than I can dish out.
I don’t expect you to agree or disagree with my statements because everything that has happened to me has been unique to my personal experience… not yours.
You want to know what I do? Well, one thing I’ve done is screen save 173 files of libelous statements made against me. Most of these slanderous slaps in my face have now been deleted by the original author and/or the moderator of the blog on which it was published. Thus, anyone who wants to sue me for libel can expect my screen save evidence to be introduced in a counter suit.
Also, if these people take legal action against me, they can expect a couple other legal actions to take place which the powers-that-be are familiar with but the details don’t get discussed publicly.
Scout’s honor…
WWDHD said,
Wrote on October 31, 2007 @ 8:47 am
Wait, you have a blog? I thought you only criticize people on other’s blogs? What is your blog address? Can you point to any places where you have actually committed your own ideas to written (typed) word? I’m really interested in knowing what Dave Hickman has contributed to society besides bullying people online. At the very least can you show how your grassroots organization (and what organization is it that you started) was ruined by one of these national organizations? Come on Dave, you have to be able to at least site some of this stuff.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 31, 2007 @ 10:23 am
You’re absolutely pathetic WWDHD, if you’re promoting the idea that one person (being me) has Sooooooooooo much ability to supposedly “bully” several bloggers who are basically lying, manipulating information, using propaganda and being complete jerk-off hacks. That doesn’t say much for all of you, especially when you find it necessary to bring-up this concept on the main blog that is kicking all of your moderate DLC establishment Democratic Party buttocks.
I acknowledge and recognize Matt Naugle, not for his political ideology, but rather for how he has mastered the art of Public Relations “message control.” Matt keeps at least two psuedo-lefty bloggers constantly drooling all over themselves in order to stumble around and stupidly react to messages which Matt originates.
These two bloggers are Eric Vessels of PlunderDUMB Blog and Jerid Kurtz of The BS Blog. Neither PlunderDUMB nor the BS Blog have demonstrated any current ability to originate and/or control the message of the Ohiosphere at any time. Instead Vessels and Kurtz react to Matt and other righty bloggers with hackneyed and inferior rebuttals that make both of these psuedo-lefty bloggers look juvenile and/or slap-stick ridiculous.
I suspect that this alias commenter (WWDHD) is either Vessels or Kurtz posting anonymously. However, if it is not one of them, it is VERY likely one of their enablers like Lorraine Bieber (recently hired by Progress Ohio), ModernEsquire (the BS Blog’s permanently anonymous front pager) or it could even be Mr. MommyDaddy caffeine spaz-attack Scott Piepho (of Pho’s Akron Pages) or Redhorse NASCAR maniac of PsychoBilly Democrat Blog.
Oops I forgot one other BS Blog front pager, little boy blue Peter Koltak (2010_Buckeye) who thinks being the VP of the OSU Dems gives him license to act like a complete AssHat and like he actually knows what he’s talking about.
Then again, it could be the loud-mouth and supposed “big boi” Bryan Clark or his valiant leader Mr. Lie and Earn Todd Hoffman (who will likely leave his ODP Online Communication Director position so he can once again spread lies and propaganda for the next upcoming casino gambling initiative).
The whole argument that I should start a blog in order to somehow reach a different level is poppycock. I’m just fine being a blogless private concerned citizen activist rather than submitting myself to becoming a public figure.
I’m not trying to garner “pay to say” benefits like many other bloggers on the left, including Russell Hughlock, Eric Vessels, Jerid Kurtz, Jill Miller Zimon, Peter Koltak, Scott Piepho, Bryan Clark and of course the master “Lie and Earn” hack himself, Todd Hoffman.
Lest we forget “Pounder” aka: Russell Hughlock who likely reads posts like this and my comments from his cushy new “pay to say” and/or “lie and earn” office in Rich Cordray’s Ohio Treasurers office.
Whoever you are WWDHD, I’m not trying to garner high praise for my relatively minor contribution toward organizing progressive grassroots people. But, if you and others need to know, I helped organize over 1,500 Kerry and Dem Party Meetup members from 2003-04 (which was plundered by the Kerry Campaign and the ODP). Then from 2005-07 I volunteered to help organize group-building and other events for the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign in order to help out issue advocacy of Cliff Arnebeck and Alex Rodriguez.
Currently, I’m a part-time and unpaid blog reader and commenter as well as a participant (not an organizer) in various election reform, election protection, anti-war and other progressive activities.
Progress Ohio has undermined the organizational structure of our progressive activist groups and created a negative situation for the entire progressive activist community by producing dysfunctional chaos and an even more unstructured situation than what existed prior to Progress Ohio entering the scene.
Thus, Progress Ohio’s stated mission of organizing the progressive activist community is failing miserably, based on my past experience with grassroots organizational activities, which I participated in between 2003-07.
So, WWDHD … continue to be a psuedo-lefty AssHat if you choose and “at least site some of this stuff” and reveal your identity so that you can accurately portray something that you supposedly “contributed to society besides bullying people (like me) online.”
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on October 31, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Why so quiet WWDHD? You’re lame!
WWDHD said,
Wrote on November 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Sorry, some of us actually work. Outside of work we might have families and several other volunteer positions plus educational committments - oh, and maybe we’re actually a poll worker too. I guess questioning your motives are fairly low on my list, but not off my list.
So, reading through yet another long comment (sorry, you are NOT a blogger - that would require that you have a blog) I think I have waded through your endless list of insults again to get the following.
1) By saying that you organize people without needing to take credit then why would you give a shit if Kerry or the Dem Party or whoever subsequently took credit for the organizing? I mean, it’s not about the glory or whatever right? And if these grassroots organizations that you put together understand their core message that obviously you helped craft (as a leader would) then they certainly wouldn’t fall apart just because a national organization came along. Or are you admitting that you are a crappy leader and thus should stop talking shit about other peoples leadership skills?
2) You mention how you “helped” organize 1500 people. Is that the same way that say The League of Young Voters has helped organize events with other people, or how America Votes has helped organize events, etc? Why don’t you explain how you helped. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you press Bob Fitrakis or Cliff Arnebeck or, well, anyone surrounding the Free Press they would have a hard time coming up with anything they remember you contributing besides a negative attitude.
3) Re:Pay to Say — So are you suggesting that anyone who has the guts to put their opinions and ideas online on their own website that they are automatically trying to get paid by someone? Do you think that say the guy running the COBAC website is also trying to get paid? I see him everywhere, volunteering his time constantly to make our city a little better, and I guess (according to your logic) he must be trying to garner those big big bucks or something.
4) Anyone who spends most of their life making off base accusations and belittling hardworking people is lame. I am not an asshat nor am I lame.
5) BTW- Back at the beginning of this you kept refering to the women as “pretty girls”, etc. Is that your opinion of women in general, they are only to be oogled by creepy old men like yourself? I’ve met both of these women and know that when describing them I would comment on their intellect and work ethic as opposed to making sexist references to them.
So, again Dave, why don’t you put forth any ideas to make things better instead of spending all of your time tearing down other people and their ideas? Construction, not destruction.
Eric Vessels said,
Wrote on November 1, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Note: The above (and any other comments from WWDHD) are not from me, though I would have said it the exact same way. [stands and claps]
Dave does not and will not have any actual answers to your queries, but I suspect you’ll see PlunderDUMB Eric Vessels and FratBOY Jerid Kurtz and pretty girl Lorraine Bieber and Lie and Earn Todd Hoffman and Mommy Daddy Pho and Pepper Pike Jill and Slam and Ban Bunch over and over again. It’s a nervous tick I think. Anyone who has ever called bullshit on his antics endures such wrath and we wear them proudly like blog badges of courage.
Ask Dave also about how Vic’s Midnight Cafe asked him to leave after his antics began costing them business. Or about stalking ProgressOhio like his buddy Naugle (yes, Matt, I know you had an appointment and it wasn’t about the strippers). Vic’s, incidentally, is one of the only places you cannot get to BuckeyeStateBlog.com because Hughlock had to ban the entire wireless IP address because of Dave. I tried once while having a most excellent grilled veggie panini made by a friend of mine Connie Harris - while Dave was busy trying to disrupt yet another progressive event. If I were conspiratorial I’d think him a plant by the right.
Dave Hickman is no blogger. Thanks for making that point in his references to him speaking of “my blogging”. Many began by asking him to do so. A good blog on election protection would be great and Dave would probably do a very good job if he could keep the voices in his head from shouting at him about slam and ban bloggers.
Matthew can tell you it’s not me. IPs won’t match a bit. But I sure woulda said it just like that - and have - to Dave personally. Hickmania is a joke and anyone on any side of a political divide with half a brain can see it.
Are you attacking Russell today or praising him for how well he ran BSB? LOL. Get help man. Or just stop already. The only place you are free to rant is on wingnut sites. Clue?
If you ever wanna know the whole tale, buy me a beer or 3 at a Winking Lizard and I’ll share it with you. And yes. If you press either Bob or Cliff on Dave you get a very different story than he tries to portray. In politics it’s called “distancing”.
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on November 1, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
WWDHD, who said I don’t work? Since when does being self-employed equate with being unemployed. Also, are you actually trying to say I don’t have “volunteer positions”… gimme a break.
As for educational commitments? hmmm I take classes at OSU and other continuing education. So you were a “poll worker?” Well, I was an Independent Observer/Challenger at the Franklin County Board of Elections during the ‘06 election, provisional/absentee sorts and recounts.
If I’m so negligible and unimportant because I’m “NOT a blogger” and don’t “have a blog,” then why do you find it important to write such a long reply to me ??
I didn’t say I didn’t believe in giving credit where credit is due. Neither the Kerry Campaign nor the ODP gave any credit to Meetup organizers, including me, for our hard work for a year and a half. But what was worse was how they impolitely tried to take over the Meetups without consulting organizers or the members.
There was never a problem with organizers being able to “understand their core message.” Rather, the Kerry Campaign brought people in from out-of-state who did not want to deal with the locals unless they had to. Obviously they had to deal with me and five other organizers, but they didn’t like what they found so they influenced the keeper of our email lists to turn the lists over to them. In other words, the Kerry Campaign and ODP stole email lists that took us a year and a half to build.
However, we maintained control of the Meetup website. So, when the Kerry people refused us access to our own email lists, we divided the Meetups into multiple smaller groups all around Columbus (from 4 venues to 8 venues). When they continued to deny us access to our email lists, we divided the Meetups from 8 venues into 12 venues to spread them even more across Columbus.
So, our Meetups fell apart much slower than the Kerry Campaign and ODP desired. They wanted to kick all of us out, in a premeditated way, in order to place their people in charge. We, as grassroots organizers, rebuked their top-down takeover to the best of our ability because they were neither considerate to the organizers nor did they consult (or poll) the membership (like we did).
So, if polling and listening to our Meetup members makes me a “crappy leader,” I’d rather be that than an arrogant and obnoxious out-of-state college kid, taking orders from above, who knew nothing about us and who showed little sign that they relly cared.
So, yes, I did help organize 1500 people along with five other organizers. But we did it on our own, with no support or help from any campaign, political party or any other outside organization (except Meetup.com). We did NOT act similar to the League of Young Voters which constantly piggybacks on other groups and sucks their energy and resources. We were also different from America Votes Ohio because we were totally grassroots without the hundreds of thousands of grant dollars that America Votes Ohio receiveS to fund their operations.
With that in mind, I’d say that we as Meetup organizers were better than people like Lorraine Bieber (Young Voters and now Progress Ohio) Scott Nunnery (America Votes) and/or Karen Gasper (DFA and now America Votes)
Regarding Fitrakis and Arnebeck, my only connection to them has been related to election reform and election protection. I was neither a part of the Free Press, nor Fitrakis’ run for Governor, nor their respective legal practices. I worked with Alex Rodriguez, Connie Harris and Victoria Parks to originate two things.
1) The Progressive Ohio Backbone Campaign - which had the mission of demanding that the Ohio Democratic Party get a backbone. Some used to say “get a spine or resign” in reference to ODP Chair Denny White.
2) The Second Saturday Salon - which was our main monthly progressive get-together for progressive activists and supporters. We regularly averaged over 100 attendees, but surpassed 150 a couple of times.
I am not involved with either of these activities anymore because Alex Rodriguez decided to move back to New York City and one of our main attorneys fell ill. This diminished our ability to fund and manage these activities. However, Fitrakis and Wasserman’s Free Press keeps the Second Saturday Salon going on a much smaller scale than when I was part of organizing it for election reformers.
Regarding #3) Re:Pay to Say - No, I’m not making any blanket statements regarding “anyone who has the guts to put their opinions and ideas online.” If I were, I’d be accusing myself because I have “the guts to put my opinions and ideas online” but I’m not receiving “pay to say.”
On the contrary, I am very specific about those I accuse of “pay to say.” These people are Todd Hoffman, Bryan Clark, Eric Vessels, Russell Hughlock, Jerid Kurtz, Jill Miller Zimon, Dave Harding, Lorraine Bieber and maybe Peter Koltak (2010_Buckeye). I may have accused a couple others, but their names aren’t coming to my mind at the moment.
I’m not familiar with the “COBAC” acronym stands for and thus I cannot decipher the man you are trying to describe.
I do not spend most of my life “making off base accusations and belittling hardworking people.” Instead, I expose people who use others to line their own pockets or inappropriately further themselves in some other way. Also, I call-out people who lie, manipulate information, use propaganda techniques and/or are thieves. This is not “lame.” But, you being anonymous is lame and chicken-shitish. Thus, I will continue to believe you are an “AssHat.”
Regarding my “pretty girls” comment. It seems you are trying to make me into some sort of sexist or something worse. I only referred to two people with this tag, not every woman in the world. Regarding Lorraine Bieber and Karen Gasper, I believe my references are appropriate and accurate in both of their cases, IMO.
I don’t view myself as a “creepy old man” and I’m not even sure what the word “oogled” means in this context. The reason you may view these girls as having good intellect and work ethic could be because you are as manipulative and narcissistic as them. But, how could I know this when you insist on writing here anonymously?
In my opinion both of these young girls manipulate good grassroots volunteers to further their own careers and they also use their good looks as a way to do the same.
I don’t view myself as being “destructive” as opposed to “constructive.” Instead, I view myself as if I’m pulling out all the weeds that steal nutrients from everything good.
Apparently you feel differently WWDHD… C’est la vie… I feel no guilt. You’re a weed that needs pulled !!
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on November 1, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Eric, stand and clap all you want…
What you initially suspected about my reply to WWDHD turned-out to be completely untrue which is NOT unusual regarding the files I keep of false assertions and malicious claims you have been making about me since early 2006.
One of my beefs with you is your tendency of being far too melodramatic. I mean, what the heck do you gain by describing something this way?:
“Anyone who has ever called bullshit on his antics endures such wrath and we wear them proudly like blog badges of courage.”
gimme a break Eric… “blog badges of courage” ???
BWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is this anything like your high plains drifter OK Corral shoot-out across the river or the nirvana water running over the meditative rocks in your head?
Your next paragraph is near completely wrong. The only issue I’ve had at Vic’s Midnight Cafe was asking a former employee, who got fired over a year ago, to leave the premises after closing. This kid proceeded to kick-in a door that leads to an apartment and offices upstairs. The owner of Vic’s Cafe lives in the apartment. He was concerned at first because I was the one who asked the kid to leave. But, the incident was on video and audio. So, there’s no problem between Vic’s owner and I.
Eric, I don’t know who gave you this sketchy, incomplete and false information. It is obvious that it has gone through the grapevine about 5 times removed. However, you might tell your source that I have a whole hell of a lot more details that I could publicly reveal about this incident, including the video and audio.
I NEVER have been “kicked out” of Vic’s. In fact, I have open access to 1/6 of the entire Vic’s complex for anything I want to do in it (24/7). Thus, the owner of Vic’s and I are fine. You’re also wrong about Vic’s not being able to get the BS Blog on our wireless internet. But honestly, no one wants to go there anymore since Jerid took it over. So, Jerid can go ahead and block the IP address if he chooses.
One more thing, you may consider Connie Harris your “friend,” but I’m damn near sure that she would NEVER say the same about you !!
Damn Eric, you are accusing me of “trying to disrupt yet another progressive event” but the reality of the situation was you were unduly controlling free speech by deleting a wiki discussion board related to the RootsCamp event.
The only thing I can be accused of is exercising my wiki rights to dispute your deletion by replacing it every time you deleted it. If you were being fair here, you could honestly say that I created an inconvenience for you. But my intent was to protect free speech, not to disrupt the RootsCamp event. Are you claiming that you somehow read my mind to determine my intent was to disrupt the RootsCamp event… NO !! … FREE SPEECH is much more important than the little event Progress Ohio hosted to hack for Mary Jo Kilroy.
Do I have to provide the link and/or my screen save to show everyone what you were deleting? You may have deleted the original page, but it got into the cache and can be accessed through google.
WTF do you mean about “stalking ProgressOhio” ?? You better back this one up dillweed. The Ohio Honest Electons Office used to be a couple blocks away and I stopped-in to talk to you and/or Rothenberg 4 or 5 times because I was walking by. Also, at a later date, I attended one meeting there for the Iraq Summer group. Also, I stopped in to get antiwar signs once from Dave Harding. You’re a freakin’ fruitcake to even suggest that I stalk these offices… my God Eric, I don’t even know why I’m trying to answer you here. You’re a ridiculous fool.
For your information Eric, Matt and I are not buddies. I don’t blatantly spread around false information about him or challenge him to boxing matches like you, but he and I would disagree on quite a bit regarding our political ideologies. It’s just that he doesn’t go around acting like a tippy toe buddah belly dancing dumbass like you and I can at least recognize that he’s doing something well regarding how he runs a blog that has consistently been ranked #1 in influence on BlogNetNews.com
Where’s PlunderDUMB Blog ?? No where to be found. You’re losing it Eric. You really are.
http://www.blognetnews.com/ohio/influence-index.php
Eric, as I said earlier to WWDHD, I may not be a “blogger” but you’re sure as heck writing a bunch of crapola here trying to slander me. And remember, I’m sure Matt won’t delete anything slanderous that you write about me.
Eric, DUDE… WHO THE HECK ARE YOU TO SUGGEST ANYTHING TO ME. I honestly don’t care if you think I should start a blog or not. I’ll do it if I choose, not because you suggested it.
You’re ridiculous to suggest that I would even think about buying you a beer, especially at Winking Lizard (a fitting place to symbolize your persona).
Would you say that you going to “greener pastures” away from Progress Ohio was “distancing” on Rothenberg’s part. Well, that’s what I heard (from a reliable source). BWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The only “distancing” that happened related to Fitrakis and Arnebeck had to do with the situation related to Alex Rodriguez moving back to New York city. Actually that had nothing to do with Fitrakis. But, it did change a lot of things and most of it was for the worst regarding everyone involved.
But DUDE, let’s compare our “distancing”
I was a volunteer for Rodriguez and Arnebeck.
Your salary was over 50k per year with Rothenberg
BWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH … I WIN !!!
RootsCamp did not equal “greener pastures” for Eric !!
Eric, maybe you and Marian Harris should start hanging out together to plot strategy against me !!
God of Plunder said,
Wrote on November 2, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
So what are you saying? You wanna box?
(Ralph King, standby please)
Dave Hickman said,
Wrote on November 2, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Matt, thanks for humoring this thread for far longer than I thought you would. Obviously, Eric is unable to raise the level of his replies above that of someone with a knee jerk mentality.
But, the reality that Eric “God of Plunder” won’t likely admit is in your headline for this post:
“Brunner and Dann Won’t Meet with ‘voting rights activists’”
http://www.rightangleblog.com/2007/10/22/brunner-and-dann-wont-meet-with-voting-rights-activists/
Maybe the “God of Plunder” can put on his “badge of courage” to admit that most Democrats are being negligent about addressing the issues being raised by voting rights activists. It is especially discouraging to witness Marc Dann and Jennifer Brunner disregarding their duties to the citizens of Ohio.
I’ll take a pass on your boxing challenge Eric. I don’t know how to box.
Hick Daveman said,
Wrote on November 2, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.